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Posted 24 January 2019 - 03:20 PM

Chiming in late, as usual. 

We were denied a combined all star team last year.  We wanted to combine with two neighbouring leagues.  We were denied.  Our DA appealed and appealed over and over.  Still a no go.

Yes, population was cited as the reason.  It's ridiculous and a very antiquated notion that population has anything to do with it.


Our city has a population of about 120,000 and two leagues to cover it.  We used to have 4.


It made several of our players very unhappy. 


I'm hoping that this year will be better.

Lou Barbieri

Posted 13 June 2018 - 01:42 AM

Not allowing you to combine the two smaller leagues into one Charter is just plain NUTS (in my opinion).

We need a new Janitor. B)


Posted 12 June 2018 - 03:58 PM

We keep working on combining charters, but we get told it isn't going to happen because of population. 

Each charter has about 30 to 32 thousand. One charter we usually get 80 to 90 from, and another, 120-140. The third is over 300.

We were right around 500 total for the last four years, but this year increased by about 70, though our Senior division is almost gone since everyone is playing at a Spring tournament a neighboring league runs. Good sign, though at one time we had 1900. 

A charter with fewer than 100 (4-16) is really hard to do much with. (There is a league run by two churches that gets many players in the two smaller charters.)

Lou Barbieri

Posted 11 June 2018 - 01:16 AM

Williamsport, or as many of us are fond of saying, The Janitor! B)

I too have been told of population being the reason for rejecting some Combined Team Applications.
Little League "did away with" its population requirement years ago but from time to time it still raises its ugly head.
Population shouldn't matter, what should matter is how many leagues/teams are involved in the combination.


Posted 10 June 2018 - 06:21 PM

See there are a few comments/complaints on Little League's Facebook page regarding requests for combined all-star teams being rejected, with population cited as a reason.  How is population factored in for league size, if at all today?  Read somewhere that a population guideline of 20,000 was used in the past.  


We have a city population of nearly 150,000, plus a large number more with school boundaries factored in, but our leagues were allowed to shrink from four down to three this season.  We had five leagues not that many years ago.  Our kids feed into five different high schools, each with enrollment above 2,500 students.  Would have preferred we kept the five leagues, with boundaries matching the five high schools, but our Board went a different route and Williamsport agreed.


Is there a criteria in place, or each case is reviewed on its own?  Is it a Williamsport decision, or a regional decision, regarding charter size and/or combined all-star team requests?


Posted 04 June 2018 - 03:09 AM

I wish in all these sort of thing, (such as combining leagues) they would do what you suggested earlier, make clear some criteria, such as certain conditions are definite approval, some conditions are definite denial, and some have to be considered. 

These things seem very unequally applied.


Posted 04 June 2018 - 02:36 AM

Any more details on the rejections? Level, league size, etc.?

We will need to do combined teams for Juniors and Seniors BB and Seniors SB so we'll see what they say.

Lou Barbieri

Posted 03 June 2018 - 10:22 PM

Anyone having problems getting approval for Combined All Star teams?
I've already gotten a few calls and emails about requests being rejected.
All I could suggest was to call the Region/Williamsport and "appeal" the rejection.
Find out the "reason" for the rejection and see if there is anything that can be done to get the issue resolved/combination approved.

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