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#1 B_Hanlon

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Posted 25 November 2015 - 08:05 PM

From what we were told ER is the only region holding DA clinics this winter as most regions feel the upcoming Regional Round Tables duplicate efforts.

 

Aside from the topics already posted earlier this week (age grandfather clause, new bats, new softball rule, umpire development) here are a few odds and ends:

 

  • The topic of Tournament Pool Play is gathering steam on the Hill. The softball situation in Portland was an embarrassment to Little League when ESPN made it a headline. While the expectations are that Little League adults would rise above manipulating pool play the facts show otherwise. 
  • Operations Manuals are now a thing of the past. Little League will combine and condense Op's into the Rule Book beginning this year.
  • Big promotion about "Little League University" it will be a work in progress for some time but they rolled it out for DA's and ADA's Monday. General Public may be able to access, not sure. http://www.littleleagueu.org/
  • All Districts are moving to Electronic Mapping. Maps have already been forwarded from Regions to get the process moving full speed ahead. They did not mention who is doing the service, though I was led to believe it is our friends from Seattle http://findmyleague.com
  • Shifted Regional reporting to Dan Velte.


#2 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 25 November 2015 - 10:22 PM

ER is NOT the only region having a Clinic/Seminar this winter.
The Southeastern Region is holding a DA/League Officials Clinic in late January.
The Southeastern Roundtable is in late February.

What I was told was only "part" of the OM is going into the rulebook (stuff like the Draft Plans, Options, etc).
There is still going to be an OM for the general administrative stuff.
Of course, what I was told could be wrong!

In my opinion, if they stay with Pool Play they need to change the tie-breaker from RAR to Total Run Differential (with a cap of 10 per game).
RAR is too easy to manipulate.

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Posted 26 November 2015 - 01:37 PM

Maybe I misunderstood and ER was the only region holding one prior to end of the year.

The way they explained it was part of the OM will be in the rules, part will be eliminated (sample constitution and repetitive topics). Little League U has different access levels as well to become another tool for info.

Have you submitted the Total Run Differential to Regional Round Tables?

#4 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 26 November 2015 - 02:30 PM

I have submitted changing the Pool Play Tie-Breaker from RAR to Run Differential.
That said, I would think a lot of people would need to suggest it for it to make it on the Agenda.

What they really need is a "Book" for the BOD and a "Book" for managers and coaches.
No need to clutter up both books with the same information.
If it's something managers/coaches "need to know" then put it in their "Book".
If not, it doesn't need to be in there.
Same for the BOD "Book".

#5 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 10 December 2015 - 01:22 AM

B_Hanlon, looks like you were correct.
I was talking to Williamsport and was told that starting in 2016, the information previously in the OM will be an Attachment in the Rulebooks, the OM will no longer exist.

If someone wants to buy a Rulebook I wonder how much it will cost now?

Now, all they need to add is "Section 10" for scorekeeping.
Of course, they could also add the stuff from the RIM and then there really wouldn't be any secrets!
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#6 Mike_Hirschman

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Posted 11 December 2015 - 05:55 PM

Sara told me that all recognized RIM items have been / are transferring to the rule book.

 

I asked her if it was going to look more like an NCAA manual for next year. lol



#7 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 11 December 2015 - 10:18 PM

So now all they need to add is the scorekeeping information.
It certainly isn't close to being "The Little Green Book" anymore ;o)

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Posted 11 December 2015 - 10:55 PM

Was the score keeping info once in the rule book? Being that it's numbered 10.0 and would come right after the ump rules at 9.0

In 2014 I bought section 10, it was the first time anyone in my league had ever seen it.

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Posted 11 December 2015 - 10:57 PM

...the OM has something like 8 pages on lights and lighting rules....That's a lot to put in the RB

#10 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 11 December 2015 - 11:10 PM

The Official Rules of Baseball has 10 Sections.
The LL Rulebook has 9 Sections, Section 10 is in a separate book called "What's the Score".
LL sends One copy of "What's the Score" to each league when they send the rulebooks, additional copies have to be purchased separately (in my old league we bought a half dozen or so every year).

With LL combining pretty much everything into the Rulebook I would hope they would include Section 10 on scorekeeping, not sure if they did or not.
If they didn't, maybe they will next year.

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Posted 12 December 2015 - 06:14 AM

They don't send us a copy....I had to buy it.....between my wife and I we've been on the board 8 different years and never saw the book.

#12 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 12 December 2015 - 01:43 PM

"They don't send us a copy....I had to buy it..."

From the LL Website:
"Each league receives one free copy of “What’s the Score?” upon chartering. Extra copies are available for purchase from Little League International."

All I know is that every year I was president we were sent a copy.
We bought extra copies so that we could put a copy in each scorer shed and also have one in the concession stand (as I recall they cost $1.00 each back then).
We also used them during our Scorekeeper Clinics.

As I said, I would hope that LL would include Section 10 in the Rulebook, that would make it a lot simpler.

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Posted 13 December 2015 - 03:31 PM

I fought that one Lou when I was running the regional... I lost several times.
I couldn't even get them to send one to regional-level TDs.

As for the rule books, most leagues get more than enough.
If you didn't get one, you need to ask more questions.

#14 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 20 December 2015 - 11:39 PM

I fought that one Lou when I was running the regional... I lost several times.
I couldn't even get them to send one to regional-level TDs.
As for the rule books, most leagues get more than enough.

This one always bugged me!
They send 1 copy to each league, 1, are they crazy.
They send a rulebook for each team, doesn't each team keep score?

Again, just put Section 10 in the Rulebook and be done with it.

There are 10 Sections of OBR, why are there only 9 in the LL Rulebook?
They're expanding the rulebook to include stuff from the OM, why not include Section 10?

Maybe next year!!!

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Posted 22 December 2015 - 04:47 PM

This discussion pre-dates Lance moving over to the museum...



#16 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 23 December 2015 - 12:00 AM

Every year for at least the last 10-12 years I have sent a "suggestion" to Williamsport that they put Sectiion 10 in the Rulebook.
Did it again this year.
Same response, thank you for your suggestion, we will consider it.

Definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

As Sheldon would say, I'm not insane, my mom had me tested !!!

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Posted 23 December 2015 - 12:56 AM

If baseball is a thinking mans game you would think LL would value accurate score keeping more.

I hate when an outfielder makes an E and the batter makes it around the bases for a HR off an E7....Hate the term "Little League Home Run"....sorry mom and coach, those were routine outs, your kid didn't hit four in the park HR's today.

#18 Mike_Hirschman

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Posted 23 December 2015 - 04:52 PM

Where my last request came from was to allow a pitcher's win to be awarded early if being removed for pitch count, similar to the NCAA's rule used mostly for midweek games (weekend starter pitching on a count, declared before the game by a coach, becomes eligible for the win before five innings).



#19 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 23 December 2015 - 08:39 PM

This will probably get me in trouble but it's Little League, does it really matter which pitcher gets the "win" !!!

It's like the previous comment on errors and home runs, does it really matter !!!

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Posted 23 December 2015 - 09:44 PM

No it doesn't matter at all. Stats are irrelevant.

 

The only thing that matters is keeping an accurate book that clearly (and correctly) documents the game and substitutions.





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