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Posted 30 May 2015 - 03:03 AM

Manager questions whether opposing pitcher can wear sunglasses.  Umpire says it is OK.

Manager says that the sunglasses are distracting to his batters.  Umpire says that the glasses are not shiny and in his judgment are not distracting.

Manager notes that the sunglasses have white frames and asserts these are distracting to his batters.  Umpire says that in his judgment the sunglasses including white frames are not distracting.

Manager protests the game.

 



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Posted 30 May 2015 - 04:25 AM

I was watching the Ducks get their a** kicked in Collage Softball last night and thought they had to much yellow in their uniform.

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Posted 30 May 2015 - 04:27 AM

......protest won't hold unless the glasses are some circus clown glasses.

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Posted 30 May 2015 - 11:43 AM

just curious was this before the game,during (if so what was the score?) etc



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Posted 30 May 2015 - 12:09 PM

Should be irrelevant to the question of rules interpretation and implementation.  But here goes ...

Teams star pitcher enters the game in the 3rd inning of a one-run game.  Finishes up the game after giving up the one run in his first inning, no runs thereafter, and scores the winning run in the bottom of the last inning. Protest was made upon the pitcher's initial appearance.

Pitcher's manager argued that the player had his eyes diluted earlier in the day and needed to wear sunglasses.  But this too should be irrelevant to the rules issue.

Am looking for specifics to give the Protest Committee -- beyond sunglasses not being mentioned in the rule book, they are not considered to be jewelry, and pitcher's caps are not prohibited from being partially white, etc. FWIW, this pitcher's team cap has a large white symbol in the middle of the front (not brought up at the game site)

Thanks!



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Posted 30 May 2015 - 12:55 PM

Sorry, I should have typed "eyes dilated" vice "eyes diluted"

(Don't know how to go back and 'undo')



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Posted 30 May 2015 - 01:45 PM

In order to Protest you need a rule violation or the misinterpretation/misapplication of a rule.
So, for this Protest, what Rule is the manager basing his Protest on?

Second, you can't Protest an umpire judgment call.

In my opinion, Protest Denied.

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If I were the plate ump and the manager said the player he was bringing in to pitch had had his eyes dilated and needed to wear sunglasses I may have inquired if he should be playing at all (eg: did the doctor say it was OK for him to be playing so soon?).
If mom/dad were there I might even ask them.
Safety of the players is ultimately what's important.

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Posted 31 May 2015 - 12:15 AM

Speaking of "distracting to the batters":
Got a call today from my old DA (I still serve on the District Protest Committee when needed).
Anyway, they've starter their District Top Team Tournament.
They have some teams playing at parks/fields they have never played at.
So, prior to one of today's games at the plate conference a manager says the field is illegal because the scoreboard is in center field and that violates the "batter's eye".
He says at his park all the scoreboards are in either right or left field.
He wants the scoreboard shut off because it will be distracting to his batters.

Ump says No so they go to the TD.
TD says No so the call goes to the DA.
DA calls me and another Protest Committee member.
We "deny" the Protest and tell them to leave the scoreboard on.

By the way, the manager's team won 4-0 and the other team only got 2 hits.
Maybe the other team's batters were the ones distracted by the scoreboard !!!

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Posted 01 June 2015 - 03:46 PM

"Feel free to protest... and let me know what rule my judgment is violating."

 

(silence)

 

"And have a nice remainder of the day."



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Posted 03 June 2015 - 02:17 AM

I have little tolerance for nitpicking coaches, have had some real doozies through the years.

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Posted 23 June 2015 - 01:04 AM

Vanderbilt starting pitcher in tonight's opening game of College World Series finals is wearing white-framed glasses.  



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Posted 23 June 2015 - 02:41 PM

What rule specifies that pitchers cannot wear sunglasses? I've seen pitchers asked to remove them but can't find a rule.   I've definitely had pitchers with prescription lenses wear them - while pitchers with 'shiny' lenses have typically removed them.   



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Posted 23 June 2015 - 02:59 PM

Basically if the umpire "judges" that they are "distracting" to the batter(s), he/she can have the pitcher remove them.
The rule(s) can't list everything that may be distracting so some specific items are listed and for the rest it's basically a judgment call by the Ump.

"I can't define distracting but I know it when I see it"!
Basically, if it's distracting to the ump it's probably distracting to the batter(s).

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Posted 23 June 2015 - 04:29 PM

Makes sense, and the highly reflective lenses certainly would fall into that category for me.



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Posted 23 June 2015 - 04:57 PM

Makes sense, and the highly reflective lenses certainly would fall into that category for me.

 

If the face (thus the glasses) distracts you, you aren't focused enough on the task at hand. If the batter and you are looking at the pitcher's face neither of you will succeed at your task. Focus on the hand coming through the release point - then the ball.

 

If you concentrate enough the only thing you will see is the ball.

 

If yo don't "get" this you didn't hit as well as you could have.



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Posted 23 June 2015 - 05:03 PM

Rich, when I umpire I am watching the arm/hand/ball, I could care less about the pitcher's face or his/her glasses.

That said, I've been in games where the pitcher is wearing reflective lenses and when the sunlight hit them just right (or just wrong) the "reflection" has hit me right in the eyes. In such cases, the pitcher is taking off the glasses if he/she wants to continue to pitch.

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Posted 23 June 2015 - 05:32 PM

Have been dealing with a similar issue the past couple of days. One of our softball teams ordered neon green tournament uniforms. After they received them they sent a picture to ER for their interpretation and it came back that they are allowed. I guess its similar to a white baseball uniform. I'm having them carry a letter just in case.





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