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#1 JM Lugo

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 01:55 PM

Is there any specific rule which prohibits a Batter-Runner who hit a homerun from being congratulated (High-Fived) before touching home plate by a preceeding runner who had already touched home plate?

A HP umpire called the Batter-Runner out for what I explained.

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 02:33 PM

A coach is not allowed to physically assist a player on the basepaths.
I'm not aware of any rule prohibiting a baserunner from assisting another baserunner.
I think the umpire got it wrong (especially in LL!)

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 03:30 PM

The ball is dead after a home run.
What penalty are you enforcing?

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 04:26 PM

A high five isn't assistance no matter who does it.
No penalty.

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 05:14 PM

So, what happened when your manager Protested the call? B)

As previously stated, it is not an out, the umpire was wrong.
The Rules for calling outs are in the rulebook, this is not one of them.
By not Protesting the manager just cost the team a run and an out.
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#6 JM Lugo

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 10:21 PM

This scenario happened last Spring on an Intermediate Game.

It caused a ruckus with the parents. I was not present. I was told the story by the base umpire.

Last Saturday I did an Intermediate game with the same base umpire and same situation happened. I was the PU.

The base umpire told me that the batter-runner needs to be called out because he was high-fived by the preceding runner. before he touched HP. Obviously referencing the call he witnessed last Spring by the PU.

I told him "No, I do not think such rule exists" and challenged him to look it up after the game.

I have yet to hear back from him..
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#7 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 12:10 AM

Which is why the manager should have Protested.
Make it a learning moment for the Umpires.
Otherwise they just keep making the wrong calls!

I don't know why so many managers are afraid to Protest when it's appropriate.
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Posted 02 May 2019 - 02:41 AM

Which is why the manager should have Protested.
Make it a learning moment for the Umpires.
Otherwise they just keep making the wrong calls!

I don't know why so many managers are afraid to Protest when it's appropriate.

 

They aren't afraid.

 

They don't know how...



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Posted 02 May 2019 - 03:06 PM

I spoke to the umpire who called the batter-runner out and he said he called the player out due to Coach's Interference (Hi-Five before touching HP).
However, he couldn't explain how the coach interfered...

I have experienced umpires calling outs for Rules they have heard on TV or are used in other organizations that they umpire for and managers accepting the call (mainly because they don't know the rules)
I only umpire LL, therfore, I only read LL Rules.
I can recall Rules I've read and Rules I can't recall reading...
Thanks for the help.

#10 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 02 May 2019 - 04:41 PM

If a manager doesn't know how to Protest then he/she is doing his/her team a disservice!
It's the manager's job to help his/her team win, knowing how/when to Protest is an important tool towards that end.

High-fiving a player rounding the bases on a home run is NOT coaches interference, it is not assisting the runner.
Again, the manager should Protest.

I've never heard a manager say he/she did not know how to Protest but I have heard more than one say he/she did not want the reputation of being a PITA manager.
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Posted 02 May 2019 - 08:41 PM

I don't think more than maybe 1 or 2 of our managers in any given year know what protesting even is, let alone how to do so. And the only reason they do is because they managed All Star teams the previous year.

 

But who protests during the regular season anyway? Daylight is short so it's not worth any time. Maybe in the playoffs where the games mean a little bit more, but I can think of it happening only once or twice over the past 10+ years.

 

 

In tournament play it's different, but even still, protests rarely happen because only a fraction of the managers know the rules and even fewer know which ones they can protest and which ones they can't.



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Posted 03 May 2019 - 03:18 AM

Time Blue?
OK, Time.
Why was the runner out?
Because the base coach gave him a high-five before he touched home.
There's nothing wrong with that, it's not an out.
Yes it is.
I Protest.

At that point the Umpires get together and hopefully one of them actually knows the rules!
Most Protests get resolved when the Umpires talk it over. Very few actually go to the Protest Committee. Many years none do.


As for Tournament Time. We go over how to Protest in our District All Star managers' meeting, including refusing to continue to play until the Protest has gone all the way to Williamsport if you don't agree with the answer you get.

#13 rsnyder6

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Posted 06 May 2019 - 05:59 PM

We seldom get a protest regular season most things are resolved on the field. Usually, a coach not understanding the rules. Or the infamous, that's not how Blank league does it.

Of the ones that have gone past the field, I don't recall one every being upheld.



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