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#1 OutdoorDad

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Posted 05 May 2018 - 01:03 PM

We’ve all seen that first or third base coach who is compelled to call his runners “safe” loudly and with vigorous mechanics.
Usually when they are three or four steps shy of the base. Frustrating for sure.

Last night, I watched one of the usuals loudly call “foul” from the third base line. It wasn’t.
The third baseman fielded cleanly, but the second baseman took their foot of the gas in covering first. Thinking the play had ended.

First baseman was playing up defending bunt.

So the third baseman held their throw.

Batter reaches first safely.


Two questions.
What would you do as an Umpire?
How would you score the play?


And because I know someone is wondering.
No, it didn’t work in his subsequent attempts.
And yes, it seemed he waited until the base umpire was in the D position to maximize the potential for confusion.

#2 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 05 May 2018 - 01:18 PM

Based on your description, the umpire "could have called" Offensive Interference.
Seems like the loud "Foul" call "confused" the third and second basemen.
Pure judgement call by the umpire.

As a minimum, a Warning to the Base Coach would seem appropriate.
A subsequent outburst could then warrant an ejection.

Players play.
Coaches coach.
Umpires umpire.
It's really pretty simple! B)
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Posted 07 May 2018 - 11:59 PM

"No, it didn't work in his subsequent attempts."

This goes to Lou's statement about a warning.
Without the warning the coach just keeps doing it in his "subsequent attempts".
If it caused concern (which it clearly did) then, at a minimum, a discussion with the coach would be in order, along with a warning.
If it could be justified, then Offensive Interference.

Had a similar situation yesterday (I was spectating for a change).
Coach yelled something that caused confusion.
I could not hear it, but I definitely saw the confused players.

When the play was done, the umpire signaled for the coach to come to home plate.
You could tell the coach knew he did something wrong (like a tail between his legs).
Quiet discussion, then back to playing baseball.
It did not happen again.
We played this same team a few weeks before yesterday and the coach was doing the same thing.
The umpire at that game did not take charge of that situation and the game got rather "hostile" to say the least.

#4 rsnyder6

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 01:11 PM

I had similar in All-Stars last year, but from a parent.
Sitting along the fence near third base, calls loudly "Foul" on a fair ball trickling up the line.
The 3rd baseman stops running to the ball.
Runner safe.

I suggested that it was not a good idea for the parent to be calling foul balls since it just hurt her own son's team.
She told me it was a free country and she would say whatever she wanted.

A couple other parents tried to talk with her as I left.

#5 Jmlugo8511

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 01:00 AM

Rsnyder,
On that situation, we get the Board Member on Duty to handle the situation and if the parent continues, then they are open to be removed from the field.
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#6 rsnyder6

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 01:44 AM

Rsnyder,
On that situation, we get the Board Member on duty to handle the situation and if the parent continues, then they are open to be removed from the field.

Unfortunately, this was taking place at a neighboring league so it was a bit more complicated than if at home turf.

I have removed a parent from our fields.

#7 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 02:16 AM

You give the fan one Warning.
It doesn't matter if it's a home field or another park.
You're the Ump, you need to take control of the situation.

If it happens again, send the teams to their dugouts and call for the BOD Member on Duty.
If it's a Tournament Game call for the TD.

Been there, done that (as an Ump, a BOD Member on Duty and as a TD).

#8 rsnyder6

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:36 AM

I was not the umpire.
Just a spectator at that time.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 07:30 PM

Another 'spin' on the problem:  what would you do in this case?

We have a parent outside the backstop calling to batters on where the catcher is setting up...  "way outside now"  

Warn? Toss?   Tell your catcher to stop setting up so early?



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Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:18 PM

Amutz: My son had that last year. He worked with his pitcher that certain pitches he would set up in a certain spot knowing the pitch was going someplace else. Several batters were getting frustrated. Ultimately, one batter on a 0-2 count was told way outside and low. It was a fastball in the heart of the plate, just under belt level.
The batter threw his bat down and yelled at the person behind the backstop.
The umpire then got involved because (1) the player threw his bat, and (2) the player was talking to the spectator.

They never did that to us again.
I think they were still doing it to others.

I personally would tell the managers that they need to control their parents. If that doesn't work, something else like what Lou said has to be done. Just let the players play.
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#11 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:22 PM

Call "Time" before the Pitcher pitches.
Send the teams to their dugouts.
Call the BOD Member on Duty and have him/her warn the individual if he/she does it again then he/she will be asked to leave.

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By the way, I'm not a big believer that managers control the conduct of their player's parents/fans.
If you want to ask the manager to talk to the individual fine, it might work, but if it doesn't you can't blame the manager for the parent/fan being a jerk. B)

When I managed, I always stressed good sportsmanship to all of my parents.
The vast majority were well behaved but over the years I had my share of rotten apples (IYKWIM).
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 02:04 AM

Thanks, Lou.
I like your answer too, Ron.

Our umps are generally reluctant to police the grandstands.
They feel like the managers/coaches/players are enough to deal with.

Our board members are going to help manage this issue as needed, and remind the parents that its the kids game and not theirs!
Hopefully it'll be clear enough before we need to toss the bad apples.

#13 rsnyder6

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 06:53 PM

I prefer to not have to have umpires need to deal with things off the field, but sometimes they must.

We just had a game were the parents were trying to get the plate umpire to overturn the field umps call. I tried to explain how it worked, (parents are not involved with umpires, one umpire does not overturn another), and most were O.K., (not listening, but O.K.) but one guy was going onto his this is Bull S&*^, the strike zone sucked all game, etc. He ended up storming away.



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