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#1 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 11:27 PM

OK, so the Agenda is Posted.
http://www.littlelea...ress/agenda.htm

Five on Regulations, three on Playing Rules and five for the Tournament.

Questions?
Comments?

How would you vote on each item? (I'll post my comments/votes later, I may have 4-5 NO votes!)

#2 richives

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Posted 02 December 2017 - 04:10 AM

My antivirus won't let me go to the link



#3 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 02 December 2017 - 12:07 PM

Try the Link again Rich, I think I fixed it.

If it doesn't work:
Log on to the LL Website.
Click on "learn more" (top of the page).
Under "About Our Organization" Click on "Congress".

1) On the right side of the "Menu" bar, Click on the "three lines" then on the drop down list, Click "Agenda"
OR
2) Scroll to the bottom of the page and Click on "Agenda"

LL makes it so easy to find this stuff !!! B)
Good Luck

#4 Westfield Mike

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 10:03 PM

Item 9 - My take on this is that leagues could convert their "Majors" Division to an "intermediate" Division and still have their 11's and 12's play in the 10-12 year old All-Star Tournament on the 60-foot diamond.
Can somebody confirm?
If this is true, it could be a game-changer for Little League.

I am not in favor of forcing mandatory play by the 4th inning or starting with a runner on second in extra innings.

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 10:34 PM

Item 1:  NO.  Could allow recruiting 10's as potential for AS when 12.

 

Item 2:  OK

 

Item 3: OK

 

Item 4:  NO. It either becomes suspended or it didn't happen. Can't have it both ways.

 

Item 5: OK

 

Item 6: NO.  leave it at any place in the order at least for majors and below - and the "SAME" should be in red.

 

Item 7:  NO.  the kids are here to play.  They'll get over it long (LONG) before the adults do.

 

Item 8:  NO.  These aren't grown-ups. Sometimes you need that second visit.

 

Item 9/10:  NO.  Don't move players down for all stars. They want up - too bad if they don't make it at 12.

 

Item 11:  Don't care

 

Item 12: NO. Don't force player entry. Let the managers manage.

 

Item 13:  NO.   If you want a fixed on-your-watch game length play soccer.  Everything else varies. Get over it. 



#6 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 02:14 PM

OK, for better or for worse, here are my votes:
1) No, will hurt the small leagues
2) No (should only be for 2018)
3) Yes or No (doesn't much matter since we've never played 3 days in a row)
4) No, leave it the way it is
5) Yes
6) Yes (they are trying to make the Regular Season sub rule the same as the Tournament Rule; to do so, they also need to delete 3.03 d and e. This would allow subs to re-enter and also get managers used to the Tournament Rule.)
7) Yes
8) No
9) No, the 11-12 Tournament should be for kids that played majors during the Regular Season
10) No, same reason as 9
11) Yes, punish cheating whenever possible
12) No, this is an over-reaction to what happened last year
13) No, talk about making a travesty of the game !!!

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 03:08 PM

Dear God.... my little birdie hadn't told me about the International Tiebreaker Item. PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!! 

 

In other news, we survived an agenda without a fake bunt item. LOL 



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Posted 04 December 2017 - 04:35 PM

So they want to make the regular season sub rule the same as the tournament? Change the rules for 20-40 (how big is your league ) teams to make it easier for 3-4. Horsehockey.

If a manager can't figure out the tournament rule he may not be the right manager.
Heck - it's actually easier than the regular season rule.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 06:04 PM

I don't like any of these besides #5 and #11.

None of these other changes actually make LL any better.
They are so lost it really is amazing.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 06:09 PM

Here’s my thoughts (remember I have a SB bias)

1) No: boundary should still mean something.
2) No: but may have some leniency on Waivers (we had one last season)
3) Yes (doesn't much matter to me for SB)
4) No, not sure what this accomplishes
5) Yes but should still be 60% for Juniors Tourney
6) Yes but we use CB anyway
7) Yes - good with graduated system 15 works
8) No - sometimes need the extra visit
9) Yes - might be the best way to get int off the ground
10) Yes, - sometimes small leagues need to push up 12s to get a full Juniors teams. Still not sure why Special Games can’t count. I’ve asked for Waivers and been denied.
11) Yes,
12) No - agreed about over reaction, OK with a reminder but don’t like the MUST enter portion.
13) Yes for SB - Travel SB been using this for years

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 06:09 PM

Sorry for the double post.

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#12 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 08:08 PM

Rich, as you say, the Tournament Rule IS easier than the Regular Season Rule.
Plus, it allows subs to re-enter.
So, why not use it as the Regular Season Rule?

Personally, I've always liked it better.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 12:05 AM

Rich, as you say, the Tournament Rule IS easier than the Regular Season Rule.
Plus, it allows subs to re-enter.
So, why not use it as the Regular Season Rule?

Personally, I've always liked it better.

 

By removing a starter and using him to replace a different starter later on you can get  more playing time for some players

 

5

6

7

8

9

 

Remove 5 & 6 after 2 and put in 10 and 11

 

After 4 put 5 and 6 back in for 7 and 8

 

5, 6, 7, 8, 10, and 11 now all have 4 innings.

 

9 and 12 get 3 each.



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Posted 05 December 2017 - 01:00 AM

Sounds great but how many managers actually play their weakest players (subs) for 3 innings let alone 4 (unless the game is a blow-out)?

What I see a lot is 1-7 play the whole game.
8 plays 4 innings, 11 subs for innings 2 and 3 or 3 and 4.
9, 10 and 12 play 2 innings each (9 starts, is replaced by 12 after 2, who is replaced by 10 after 4).

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 05:06 AM

Sounds great but how many managers actually play their weakest players (subs) for 3 innings let alone 4 (unless the game is a blow-out)?

What I see a lot is 1-7 play the whole game.
8 plays 4 innings, 11 subs for innings 2 and 3 or 3 and 4.
9, 10 and 12 play 2 innings each (9 starts, is replaced by 12 after 2, who is replaced by 10 after 4).

 

2 weakest get the 3-3.

 

5-11 aren't as widely disparate - at least in my league . 



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Posted 05 December 2017 - 02:21 PM

Around here there is a big difference between 5 and 11.
Talent usually doesn't drop off that much until number 7 or 8.
It has usually dropped way off by the time you get to numbers 11 and 12.

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 03:33 PM

I like the transfer item (#1) in CONCEPT with the one-year tournament sit-out, but there still needs to be more clarity involved. 

 

 

+ In the case where a child has a different home league versus school-enrollment league, is the home league or the school-based league getting priority for the first permission signature? That could limit a league's ability to block the transfer. Last time this item was proposed, we didn't have school enrollment. 

 

+ Also, a kid that gets this transfer then has a younger sibling. That isn't a true II(d), right? If that child chose to go to the "transfer league", then said child would also forfeit future participation. 

 

+ Further, say a child has differing leagues for home and school declaration. The child goes through a "transfer league" process after participating in the residence-based league. Are we also removing the child's right to make a school declaration at some point? 

 

 

We have to keep in mind that these kids still have a 13-year span in their "Little League careers".  There may also need to be items for residency change and whereas school-enrollment eligibility changes (different boundary for elementary school versus middle school).

 

I can see where it can get really complicated and sticky. 



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Posted 06 December 2017 - 04:20 PM

Again, in my opinion, this will hurt the small leagues.

Also, as someone else posted, boundaries have to mean something, don't they?

This is just another example of Williamsport getting tired of processing Waivers (in this case Out-Of-Boundary Waivers) so this way they get to have the DA do the work for them.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 05:11 PM

I see someone posted rules changes in November but now there is this addenda

Help me understand ? The rules being discussed here are for the following season? Or does little league usually announce rules changes right before meeting and debating more rule changes?

Consider me confused

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 06:11 PM

I see someone posted rules changes in November but now there is this addenda

Help me understand ? The rules being discussed here are for the following season? Or does little league usually announce rules changes right before meeting and debating more rule changes?

Consider me confused

 

The congress items are proposed changes. They would not go into effect unless passed AND approved by the LL BoD.





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