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#1 jfhurricane

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Posted 08 July 2017 - 11:59 AM

Am surprised they didn't just kick this team out.


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#2 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 08 July 2017 - 12:31 PM

This game should have been ruled a forfeit and the team removed from the Tournament (in my opinion).
The Janitor strikes again !!!
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#3 Mr. Dill

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Posted 08 July 2017 - 01:37 PM

Berwick, PA newspaper article.
One hour away from Williamsport.

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Posted 08 July 2017 - 02:10 PM

This game should have been ruled a forfeit and the team removed from the Tournament (in my opinion).
The Janitor strikes again !!!

 

Must more to it.



#5 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 08 July 2017 - 02:32 PM

If the team had three players who did not meet the participation requirement they should be disqualified!

Not sure what the "controversial call" was but the use of 3 ineligible players should over-ride everything else.
No way 3 ineligible players on a team is an "accident/oversight".
What didn't they understand, 12 games or 60%?

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Regrettable that things got so bad that the police were called !

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Posted 08 July 2017 - 03:26 PM

If the team had three players who did not meet the participation requirement they should be disqualified!

Not sure what the "controversial call" was but the use of 3 ineligible players should over-ride everything else.
No way 3 ineligible players on a team is an "accident/oversight".
What didn't they understand, 12 games or 60%?

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Regrettable that things got so bad that the police were called !

 

Maybe their DA told them it was OK and owned up to telling them. 



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Posted 09 July 2017 - 12:18 AM

If that was the case then shame on the DA.
That said, was this the league's/DA's first rodeo !!!

The rules/regs are pretty clear, minimum 12 games and minimum 60% participation by each player (exceptions given for school participation and illness).

The League President, Player Agent and Manager all sign the Affidavit stating the players meet the requirements.
Three strikes and you're out !!!

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 03:13 PM

A few years ago a league in our district entered their team in an outside tournament.  WP "fired" the manager and coaches but the team was allowed to continue with new leadership because it was decided that it wasn't the kid's fault.

 

Speculation here but IF the league was concerned and asked about something and the DA said it was OK why blame the league?



#9 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 03:18 PM

That's a big IF !!!

But, IF that was the case, maybe Williamsport should fire the DA! B)

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 07:37 PM

Because a DA acts in an advisory role.

I treat any info I get from my DA just like the advice or help you guys give me..... rule or page number please.
I would like to read it myself.
I've had to correct my DA or watch other do so way to many times to blindly trust anything he says.

#11 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 07:54 PM

Trust but Verify !!!

So, does anyone have the actual details of why the players were deemed to not meet the participation requirements?

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Posted 10 July 2017 - 10:22 AM

my brother lives minutes away from Bloomsburg and his team, South Columbia County was waiting to play the winner of this game.
He did forward me another article regarding this game.
It looks as if one team protested an umpires call and then somehow things spiraled into players not being qualified for the tournament.
Below is a paragraph from the press enterprise bloomsburg newspaper.


The rematch was not directly related to the controversial call that was protested in the earlier game, when umpires said the potential game-tying run scored by Snyder County didn’t count because another player had run out of the base path during the same play.

But after that decision, officials at Little League’s headquarters in Williamsport ruled three RCV players from Catawissa were, through no fault of their own, ineligible to play on the all-star team, according to District 13 administrator Greg Brouse.

To qualify for an all-star team, players must play at least eight games during the regular season, he said.

The three Catawissa players never had the chance to play eight games — several of their 14 scheduled games were cancelled because one side or the other didn’t have enough players.


#13 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 10 July 2017 - 12:25 PM

To be eligible a player must play in eight games???
That's only true if the team played 12 or 13 games.

But, if the team had played all 14 of its games, then sixty percent of 14 games would require the players to play in 9 games!

I wonder of the Affidavit showed less than 12 games played by the team?
If so, then the DA should not have approved it.

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By the way, does anyone know who won the "do over" game?

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Posted 10 July 2017 - 09:58 PM

To be eligible a player must play in eight games???
That's only true if the team played 12 or 13 games.

But, if the team had played all 14 of its games, then sixty percent of 14 games would require the players to play in 9 games!

I wonder of the Affidavit showed less than 12 games played by the team?
If so, then the DA should not have approved it.

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By the way, does anyone know who won the "do over" game?

 

Betcha the DA ruled the lack of games was an uncontrollable act and thus approved the players.

 

And anyone living in the northeast (like in Williamsport for example) should know darn well things like that happen.



#15 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 10 July 2017 - 10:57 PM

Obviously the DA doesn't have that authority.
I've never seen any Exception for "uncontrollable acts", that's a new one for me!

They could have followed the rules and asked for a Waiver.
Who knows, the Janitor might have approved it.

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 04:23 AM

Obviously the DA doesn't have that authority.
I've never seen any Exception for "uncontrollable acts", that's a new one for me!

They could have followed the rules and asked for a Waiver.
Who knows, the Janitor might have approved it.

 

I thought "act of God"  (as a legal term)  might offend so I used "uncontrollable act".  Sorry.   I'll try better next time.  Given the spring we had in the NE I'm not at all surprised that some teams didn't get in 12 games in time. And that the janitor wouldn't recognize it.

 

 

What may be obvious to you may not be in some circles.  "The DA said it was OK" woulf likely be considered a valid answer in many circles. He is, after all, in the official chain of command.



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Posted 11 July 2017 - 11:32 AM

"Act of God" isn't an Exception either.
I knew what you meant but, as I said, the DA is not authorized to "Waive" Tournament Rules/Regulations.
12 is 12 and 60% is 60%, it ain't rocket science.

Now, IF the league asked and the DA said it was OK, such is life, everyone makes mistakes.
Ignorance is not an excuse.
As I asked before, was this the league's/DA's first trip to the rodeo? B)

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 06:14 PM

OK.... let's float a theory...

 

these kids miss the 12 game rule because two games get tossed out due to the fact that they played the game with eight players. Article says the kids did not meet the 60% rule due to circumstances out of their control. So, two games that are thought to be played really aren't. 

 

How do you penalize? (As in: what penalty)



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Posted 22 July 2017 - 12:36 AM

Again, 12 is 12.
"Official Games" are not played with 8 players.

They should have made up the missed games (to get to 12) or they should have asked for a Waiver.

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Posted 22 July 2017 - 04:35 AM

Lou - you've been in Florida too long. Games don't start here until the last weekend in April.  With the rainouts in some seasons it's a wonder sometimes that anyone can get in 12 games. And I'd bet a substantial amount that before it had to go on the affidavit there were plenty of violations. WP needs to get real.





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