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#1 Mr. Dill

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 10:04 PM

If a player played on a 9/10/11 all star team last year and this year he goes to a new school in the same LL boundary and is on the 10/11/12 team this year does he need to fill out a new school enrollment form?
Last year he was in elementary school at 23 main street and this year he is in middle school on 100 turnpike rd.
What does the league need to do?
What address do they show on affidavit and map?

#2 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 10:33 PM

You could get a new School Form from the middle school or you can just attach a II(d) Form to the old one from last year's elementary school (either way is acceptable).

You use the address of whichever School Form you end up using.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 03:03 PM

Here was this week's debate, Lou...

We are saying that with the TPV forms (or as some are now apparently changing the name to PVF), the years and the documentation have to match up.
Example: if you first had residency docs for 2015, you still had to have the 2015 TPV form to go with it. If you lose one of the sheets, you have to start the packet over. Makes total sense.

So the argument arose that if you have a school form from 2016 when the kid played and the league didn't use a TPV cover (because they were only STRONGLY RECOMMENDED), did you have to make the kid go get a new school form in order to be issued a 2017 TPV/VPF (or whatever the hell we are calling it!)???

The long-winded answer appears to be no.
School form is not an annual filing just the same as a II(d) is not.
So therefore, as long as no break in service, etc., and the form is still valid, you could stick a 2017 TPV/PVF (PITA) on it and move forward.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:36 PM

Why are people calling them something different.....The title on the form reads the same this year as it did last year.

#5 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 10:06 PM

It's a "Tournament Player Verification" Form.

The confusion might be from the Affidavit, Section G, NOTE ... 5) where it talks about carrying a Player Verification Form for each player.

That said, on the Affidavit in Section B it calls it a Tournament Player Verification Form and on Tournament Toolkit under "Forms" the Link is titled Tournament Player Verification.

#6 Mike_Hirschman

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 04:50 PM

It came from Regional and Williamsport staffers.
Despite the name on the form...

I speculate that we might see movement towards making this a registration document rather than a tournament document.

#7 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:22 PM

It came from Regional and Williamsport staffers - that figures !!!

Make it a Registration Document - great, just what we need, more paperwork!!!

So, they make it a Registration Document, how do they know if anyone uses it?

Say I Register 80-100 major players and I don't fill them out at Registration, I only fill one out at Tournament time for the 12-13 players on the Affidavit, how is the Region/Williamsport going to know?

#8 Mike_Hirschman

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 02:00 PM

Again, I am 100% speculating. But if we want a way to sure up the residency gaps, having leagues track it down in March is one way to help it. 



#9 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 02:13 PM

Why fill out forms for 600-700 kids that will never need them?
It's a waste of time/effort.

#10 Mike_Hirschman

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 04:26 PM

Well first of all... the kid shouldn't be in your league if they don't belong. But we both know that residency checks for the regular season are extreme lacking right now. 

 

Second, if you do it the first two years, it isn't nearly that much each year because the residency packet becomes Evergreen unless something changes. So the idea would be that residency is established, everyone keeps a copy for when it becomes necessary.

 

The glitch in the current system is that the DA signs it also... that would be the one thing preventing it from becoming an easy process. 



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Posted 20 June 2017 - 04:39 PM

We check Residency of every player at Registration against our Boundary Map which we Post on the wall, always have.
The parent/guardian points out on the map where they live or where the child's school is located.
It ain't rocket science! ;o)

If not in our boundary (residence or school) then we send them to the correct league regardless of their age.

Our DA tells every league to do the same thing, after all, that's what LL says to do!

#12 coach andy

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 06:46 PM

maybe this is another area LL needs to get a little more technological on. should be possible to partner with someone like google maps, have all leagues boundaries defined, then put in address of residence or of school. then it could decide what league player belongs in. also have a confidence factor involved, and if say less than 95%, or if parent/player thinks it is wrong, have it looked at by human eyes. save the information, then you have a db of all the players, and where they belong. match this to AS rosters (and eventually league registrations).

think of it, move all registration online (you could still have in persons, just with people running it entering the data), into single system for all of LL, with all information, and player verifications already done. come AS time, someone from each league simply flags that player for a given AS team for that league. then DA merely reviews proof of residency or school forms, signs on and signs off on teams (since eligibility has already been verified)

lots of interfaces needed (since each local league sets fees, etc.).

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 07:29 PM

http://www.littlelea...eagueFinder.htm


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:42 AM

http://www.littlelea...eagueFinder.htm


I use league finder all the time for the one school district that is partially in and partially out of our league.

A link is also is on the front page of our web site to help parents.

#15 Mike_Hirschman

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 04:14 PM

We check Residency of every player at Registration against our Boundary Map which we Post on the wall, always have.
The parent/guardian points out on the map where they live or where the child's school is located.
It ain't rocket science! ;o)

If not in our boundary (residence or school) then we send them to the correct league regardless of their age.

Our DA tells every league to do the same thing, after all, that's what LL says to do!

 

 

And when a league does 95% of registration online? Ever since we introduced online registration, our document checks at registration have fallen off. 

 

 

 

 

As for Coach Andy, league finder does that. Also in the affidavit process. All of that was developed originally by Brian Nilson with FindMyLeague.com a few years ago and has gradually been brought in-house. 



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Posted 22 June 2017 - 11:51 AM

We have two LL's in town, east side and west side.
Our president is a realtor so he knows every street on both sides of town. Any weird street address he sees sign up he checks to see if they live on our side of town.
Also, one of our required questions at sign-ups is what school do you go to?
I have the list the 8 schools on our side of town plus "Other". Anyone who signs up as Other we look into right away.

Each year we get a handful of the west sign ups and they get a handful of the east sign ups.
Just how it goes with online registration.

#17 Mr. Dill

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 07:08 PM

You guys are getting away with the original Post, How many DA's are going to know that a 9/10 player last year with a school enrollment form signed by the elementary principle last year. And Now at the Middle School at a different address are going to request a II(d) waiver? 



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Posted 22 June 2017 - 07:58 PM

That's their job to know. Our DA actually told us 2 nights ago that's what he hopes everyone does next year. Saves everyone a ton of paperwork.



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Posted 22 June 2017 - 09:29 PM

I knew and brought about 8 II(d) forms to DA for signature.

"What are these for?"

Me: "these girls all were in elementary school last year and are now in middle school and I don't want to have to get new School Forms signed"

"Okay, here you go."

Very easy.

#20 Mike_Hirschman

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 02:32 PM

You guys are getting away with the original Post, How many DA's are going to know that a 9/10 player last year with a school enrollment form signed by the elementary principle last year. And Now at the Middle School at a different address are going to request a II(d) waiver? 

 

So first... it is a principal. 

 

Second... as the folks said, the DA has a responsibility to understand how to process these. And guess what? So does your player agent. ESPECIALLY  your player agent.  

 

I'll save you from my player agent role rant... although I still have it saved somewhere from the days of the old Facebook forum. 





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