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#1 B_Hanlon

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Posted 05 June 2017 - 06:29 PM

Looks like Group Two is the biggest challenge for most folks this year.
I think local property tax records are the easiest.
I am getting a slew of questions about the Homeowner/Tenant Records and if a mortgage statement can classify as a homeowner record.
Really don't see much mail from state or federal.


GROUP ONE
1. Driver’s License
2. School records
3. Vehicle records (i.e., registration, lease, etc.)
4. Employment records
5. Insurance documents

GROUP TWO
1. Welfare/child care records
2. Federal records (Federal Tax, Social Security, etc.)
3. State records
4. Local (municipal) records
5. Support payment records
6. Homeowner or tenant records
7. Military records

GROUP THREE
1. Voter’s Registration
2. Utility bills (i.e., gas, electric, water/ sewer, phone, mobile phone, heating, waste disposal)
3. Financial records (i.e. loan, credit, investments, etc.)
4. Medical records
5. Internet, cable, or satellite records

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Posted 05 June 2017 - 08:32 PM

My water/sewer bill comes from the town and the check is made out to the town.  Shouldn't that be a municipal record?

 

What category is a W2 or 1099?



#3 Mr. Dill

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Posted 06 June 2017 - 12:09 AM

I'm looking for examples also



#4 B_Hanlon

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Posted 06 June 2017 - 12:23 AM

Good suggestion Rich, a W2 should be easily attainable and in window.

#5 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 06 June 2017 - 01:58 PM

If you use a W2, make sure you "black out" the dollar amounts.
No one needs to know that information.
Same goes for any kind of Tax Documents.

Used to be so easy, people would drive to the fields to Register.
They would have with them:
Driver's License
Car/Truck Registration
Insurance Card
and probably Voter Registration Card.
Easy to get three proofs.
Now, with the three Groups those 4 proofs are all in 2 of the groups.

Use school attendance, one piece of paper.

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Posted 06 June 2017 - 03:27 PM

School attendance FTW.

Obviously some kids can't use it, but I have to imagine for most teams/leagues it works.

It's so easy and it's only one piece of paper.
Gives the principals something to keep them busy too!

#7 Mr. Dill

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 07:33 PM

In the Date spot on School Enrollment Form, where is says, This Student has been enrolled as of (DATE), before Oct 1.
Like Sept 7, 2016 for New Yorkers that start after Labor day.
Last year I had one at States that said FOREVER.
That is not a Date.
Neither is Sept 2016 a Date.
It needs a Date.

The Principal can sign it June 6, 2017 but that date needs to be a date before Oct 1, 2016.

#8 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 12:04 AM

So, at States you get a School Form that has "FOREVER" on the "has been enrolled as of" (Date) space.
That means the local league DA and the Sectional DA signed off on it as being OK.
I'm really not surprised, I've found numerous problems at SB Regionals and even a few at a SB World Series.

So, did you suspend the player until the proper paperwork was supplied?
Did you call Williamsport?
If so, the Janitor probably said let the kid play until the paperwork is fixed (WP might have given 24 or 48 hours to get it corrected).
Been there, done that.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 05:12 PM

For Group II several of the affidavits I reviewed used a Mortgage Statement from their bank as a Homeowner Record. Even though some may argue this belongs in Group III (Financial/Loan Document) I see it as something that can be used for either group provide they also submit a different document for Group III. 

Same can be said for Property Tax on a car, can use it as a vehicle document Group I or local municipality record Group II 

 

Hope my interpretation is correct....



#10 Mike_Hirschman

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 07:23 PM

In North Carolina, some of your taxes are grouped into your vehicle registration.
So can that be classified as a state document?

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:07 PM

In North Carolina, some of your taxes are grouped into your vehicle registration. So can that be classified as a state document?


In that instance I would say no, what I am referring to is a statement that the town sends us twice a year for property taxes. one for cars, one for homes.
It's a car tax but it lists your vehicle, Vin #,. year etc...

If its just a registration with taxes blended into it Id have a tough time selling that. Then again its all interpretation?

#12 Mike_Hirschman

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 02:17 PM

It is a vehicle tax and a fire/municipal tax that gets lumped into your vehicle registration. 

 

Uh.... yep. 



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Posted 20 June 2017 - 03:06 PM

If you live in NY your driver's license is issued every 10 years and your car registration every two years.  Odds are 50/50 at best that you can provide a valid one.



#14 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:15 PM

What's wrong with a 10 year old driver's license or a 2 year old car registration or, for that matter, a 4 year old Voter Registration Card as long as they are still valid/in force?

I certainly hope that if you are driving around that you have a valid license and vehicle registration (and proof of insurance).

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 03:29 AM

What's wrong with a 10 year old driver's license or a 2 year old car registration or, for that matter, a 4 year old Voter Registration Card as long as they are still valid/in force?

I certainly hope that if you are driving around that you have a valid license and vehicle registration (and proof of insurance).

 

They aren't dated within the window and there's also no way of telling if they are in force because you can move and neglect to update the documents.



#16 Mr. Dill

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 02:18 PM

i had a parent give me a Social Security Card still attached to to piece of paper it was mail to with their address on it?

in one of the boxes it says social security, I think that means your social security check, not social security card, there is no address on the ss card.

but this card still wasn't detached from original cardboard it was mail to. is the ss card ok to use if it has a date on it?



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Posted 21 June 2017 - 04:11 PM

They aren't dated within the window and there's also no way of telling if they are in force because you can move and neglect to update the documents.

 

That's why there are three proofs, Rich.

 

If the issue date is prior to Feb. 1, 2016, the interps that I have received is that is a legal document. 

 

 

 

As for Dill, I would say that is not acceptable. 



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Posted 21 June 2017 - 06:14 PM

Rich: they are (were) in force during the window.
If the addresses agree on all three proofs they're good to go.

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 06:33 PM

I agree with Mike, I'd have a tough time with Mr. Dills example.



#20 B_Hanlon

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 06:46 PM

I might have stretched the boundaries a bit last night:

 

Had a license (Group I) 

Had an Internet Bill (Group III)

For Group II they submitted an Oil Delivery Receipt to the house along with a water bill. The claim was that they are homeowner or tenant records.

 

I wrote "Homeowners Record" and accepted as my window of acceptable forms expands.   





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