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#1 B_Hanlon

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 01:25 PM

Submitted a combined team form for 10/11/12 Baseball.
This is for 2 leagues each league with one major division team.
Initial submittal was denied with a new requirement that I return it with a written statement of extenuation circumstances.

In addition I must supply the town populations of every league (13) in my district.
This is a research project as I have leagues that comprised of 4 rural towns merged to form one league.

Meanwhile we have many leagues in the state with 8 or 9 major teams yet I have to justify the combo?

The process for one team form took me over an hour this morning.
And I volunteer for this?
Where is common sense in this organization?

#2 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 01:44 PM

Refusing two one league teams to combine, once again:
1. Nothing LL does surprises me anymore.
2. Common sense doesn't seem to apply/exist in Williamsport.

Extenuating circumstances:
Each league has one team and neither league has enough players to form a Tournament Team.
If the Combination is not approved 12-14 kids will be denied the opportunity to play All Stars.

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 02:07 PM

I had to research 21 towns population to submit, grant it this is a one time search but what will they do with this?
I have one town of 46,000 population and another 3303.
They also asked for the stance of the other leagues in the District toward this?

Crazy.... Took me 90 minutes away from my "paid job"

#4 Lou Barbieri

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 02:53 PM

Around here town populations are meaningless!!!
None of the 14 leagues in our District has boundaries that align with town/city boundaries, not even close.

Seems to me LL "did away with" population a number of years ago, why do they continue to ask for it?

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 03:03 PM

LL loves to play hardball when it comes to combining.
I'm sure they still use the 20k population "rule" when making decisions.

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 03:11 PM

I live in Florida.
The "town" I now live in has a population of nearly 175,000 but has one elementary school, one middle school and one small high school.
Why, because nearly 160,000 of the 175,000 live in a huge adult community.
There are not a lot of young families in the area.
The local LL has both BB and SB and works hard to get a total of about 275-300 kids.

LL has its head in the sand if it bases decisions on population, especially if they are still using 20,000!!!

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 03:27 PM

I agree.
Our town has about 50k, but we have a lot of 55 and older/ retirement homes so it skews the numbers like you said.
We have about the same number of kids in our school system as an adjacent town that only has a population of 25k.

#8 Mike_Hirschman

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 05:40 PM

Here's what I would say to it Brian...

 

You have people who are taking charters in unchartered areas (or that are already chartered in another organization) and entering a singular team into Little League. Thus, if they see a one-team charter, they want to know why. And if you are trying to combine two one-team charters, they want to know why. 

 

Having seen some of the hanky-panky in North Carolina, Tennessee and Alabama, I get what they are doing. 



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Posted 02 June 2017 - 05:46 PM

If LL allows a league to Charter that only has One Team who's fault is that?
All Charters are approved by Williamsport aren't they !!!

I'm assuming Brian's leagues are not new leagues, they are simply small leagues from rural areas (we have a few in our District) that may only have 1 or 2 teams in each division.
It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to recognize the difference.

Even the janitor should be able to figure this one out!

#10 Mike_Hirschman

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 06:06 PM

Anyone can take a regular season charter, though... the appropriateness of that falls on the DA. 

 

But when it comes into play with the golden goose, the charter committee becomes the watch dog. And when two singles want to combine... I get the question. 

 

Go back to Goodlettsville the first time they went to the LLWS... they had 8 and 10 year old teams winning Dixie titles at the same time as 12s were in Williamsport. 

 

Washington, NC two years ago bragged how their 12 year old softball had already qualified for the Babe Ruth Softball World Series and were going after the Little League state title (a tournament they were hosting) with the dream of having the same team in two World Series in the same year. Yep, plain as day on their website. For that, we got them booted from the tournament. Last year they played LL. This year, they are back to Babe Ruth. (I guess maybe they didn't like when we told them there was no such thing as a protest committee at last year's state tournament.)

 

Alabama had a one team big league that was playing a bunch of senior teams for their regular season schedule. A week before the regional last year, they got the plugged pulled for not playing a valid regular season schedule. 

 

 

Like I said, I get why these things get questioned. Lousy that Brian has to do all of the work and his heart is probably in the right place. But for every stupid rule, there was a stupid adult that created the need for it. 



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Posted 02 June 2017 - 06:19 PM

(I guess maybe they didn't like when we told them there was no such thing as a protest committee at last year's state tournament.)


There wasn't?
Softball doesn't have the same protest procedure?

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Posted 03 June 2017 - 12:37 AM

Don't all the Tournaments Protests have the same procedure?
Go up the ladder until you're satisfied or WP rules.

Never heard of a "protest committee".

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Posted 03 June 2017 - 04:40 AM

Don't all the Tournaments Protests have the same procedure?
Go up the ladder until you're satisfied or WP rules.


That IS the protest committee.
It just isn't on site.

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Posted 03 June 2017 - 04:43 AM

It's frustrating how inconsistent Little League is from District to District.
In Massachusetts, we have seen some leagues allowed to merge in recent years, while other similar-sized leagues have been rejected.
On top of that, there are larger leagues who have been allowed to operate with one All-Star team, even when they are very comparable in size to those being denied.
At the end of the day, we are all in the same tournament.
The rules need to be more consistent.
Either break up the bigger leagues into two or more teams or allow the similar leagues to merge.
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#15 B_Hanlon

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Posted 05 June 2017 - 06:22 PM

I spent another hour this morning drafting a new argument and was just notified of another league that cant field a team and are asking for a combine merger. These are long term Little Leagues, small towns (less than 5,000 total population) and if they cant combine no team. They each charter one team in majors. 

 

I know the burden should be on the league presidents, but as DA I know what the Charter committee is looking for so I end up doing it. 

 

I just think they could have forewarned and found an easier way.



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Posted 12 June 2017 - 05:21 PM

Rich... that was my point.
They tried to have a local Protest Committee.
One person from each league and the Umpire-In-Chief.
Didn't understand up the ladder and Chain of Command.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 10:54 PM

B_Hanlon: hope it's not too late for your latest Combined Team Request.
I thought all this kind of stuff needed to be in by June 1?

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 03:43 PM

Rich... that was my point.
They tried to have a local Protest Committee.
One person from each league and the Umpire-In-Chief.
Didn't understand up the ladder and Chain of Command.

 

Let them have it. Then tell the "losing" manager that he can escalate to region.  :)



#19 Mike_Hirschman

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 04:24 PM

It was one of several screw ups, Rich. #WheresWaldo 



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 12:26 PM

B_Hanlon: hope it's not too late for your latest Combined Team Request.
I thought all this kind of stuff needed to be in by June 1?

 

The official deadline is June 1st, however, much to their credit I have always found LL to be forgiving with these deadlines in many instances. It takes a little more explaining but at least 50% of my leagues are 1 or 2 major BB teams and 1  major SB (which gives decent indication what other divisions are like). Many of the combines are the result of small town league Tournament teams falling apart so its a scramble to give the kids a team.

 

I just had another 10/11/12 team drop out this morning as the town they combined with no longer has enough kids interested. So today's mission is to find them a new partner,    





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